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andym
Joined: 05 Jan 2005
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 Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 8:10 pm Post subject: Huh? |
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Both Marty73 and I are subscribers who pay money to Lovefilm.
I wouldn't dream of paying any money to Dvds365, Cinema Paradiso or dvd******. How do I know this? By trialling and choosing the least dishonest company, though Lovefilm aren't perfect.
How can you justify a company such as Cinema Paradiso who operate outwidth both the law and honest morals? The point is since this is a repeated pattern of threats AFTER YOU CANCEL, it seems like a deliberate CON. |
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andym
Joined: 05 Jan 2005
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| Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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Oh MadDog and btw, Dvds365 sent me many disks that had "Not for rental" VT sequences and so I very much doubt Cinema Paradiso or dvd******.net is above board on buying the more expensive rental copies of films too.
dvd****** are a nightmare to get a refund from as they charge you first i.e. there is ZERO incentive for them to refund you after you cancel and return the disks. They're company run by a 1-man band living in Australia, disks sending out is obviously syndicated here in the UK.
Dvds365 change their Terms & conditions to your detriment and lie that they have not.. even so far as to keep an old date as "Last updated" when Google and forumites here can prove otherwise. |
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MadDog
Joined: 22 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 10:37 pm Post subject: Re: Huh? |
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| andym wrote: | | I wouldn't dream of paying any money to Dvds365, Cinema Paradiso or dvd******. How do I know this? By trialling and choosing the least dishonest company |
get real.
nobody tries services to find "the least dishonest company".
if anyone suspects a company are dishonest, they steer clear, they don't go there, full stop. |
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MadDog
Joined: 22 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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| andym wrote: | | Oh MadDog and btw, Dvds365 sent me many disks that had "Not for rental" VT sequences and so I very much doubt Cinema Paradiso or dvd******.net is above board on buying the more expensive rental copies of films too. |
"not for rental" is an interesting situation.
in some countries (australia for example), dual pricing is illegal.
but here, dual pricing is legal.
the films are identical on sale only and rental only. the disks are identical - same materials, same strength, same quality, same cost. the trailers will differ between sale and rental copies, but you don't rent films to watch the trailers, do you?
hardback versions of books are more durable than softback versions, so will cost more, but sale only and rental only copies of DVDs are essentially identical.
ask yourself - is it fair that dual pricing exists for these products?
ask yourself - are you prepared to pay more to watch only rental copies of films?
i'll tell you the answer - it's no. you want to watch films as cheaply as possible - ideally free of charge. |
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andym
Joined: 05 Jan 2005
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| Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 11:02 pm Post subject: Re: Huh? |
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| MadDog wrote: | | andym wrote: | | I wouldn't dream of paying any money to Dvds365, Cinema Paradiso or dvd******. How do I know this? By trialling and choosing the least dishonest company |
get real.
nobody tries services to find "the least dishonest company".
if anyone suspects a company are dishonest, they steer clear, they don't go there, full stop. |
I didn't say I started out looking for the least dishonest company.. I said I found a lot of them (mentionned above) were so opted for one which is significantly less risky.
| Quote: | "not for rental" is an interesting situation.
in some countries (australia for example), dual pricing is illegal.
but here, dual pricing is legal.
the films are identical on sale only and rental only. the disks are identical - same materials, same strength, same quality, same cost. the trailers will differ between sale and rental copies, but you don't rent films to watch the trailers, do you?
hardback versions of books are more durable than softback versions, so will cost more, but sale only and rental only copies of DVDs are essentially identical.
ask yourself - is it fair that dual pricing exists for these products?
ask yourself - are you prepared to pay more to watch only rental copies of films?
i'll tell you the answer - it's no. you want to watch films as cheaply as possible - ideally free of charge. |
No if a UK DVD company sends me a sale copy of a disk (eg bought for £10) rather than a rental copy which they are meant to (eg bought for £35) the same rules apply to it as an offline DVD rental store. They're not allowed to send me the same copy you would buy in the shops if a rental copy exists.
It means they're cutting corners illegally, therefore I wouldn't want to deal with them.
It seems your view of people on this site is DVD rental free lodgers and I uinderstand that given that you are employed by one and your income depends on it. But it also means you have a biased view of all your customers based on what your company and its employees think of us. It's not your own opinion and it's rarely right. It's called groupthink. |
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MadDog
Joined: 22 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:57 am Post subject: Re: Huh? |
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| andym wrote: | | It seems your view of people on this site is DVD rental free lodgers |
that's precisely what this site is about - how to get free dvd rentals - it's even named "dvdtrials" ............. not even a vague suggestion of actually paying for anything .............. |
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Aenima
Joined: 21 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:39 am Post subject: |
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Madog,
I don't understand your objection to us trying out companies on free trial and then going with what we consider to be the best service. That's what free trials are all about. What andmyn has rightly pointed out is that in the course of our trials it has become apparent that some (not all) of these companies clearly have questionable practices. We in this forum share this information so that other people are aware of the +ve and -ve aspects and hopefully prevent people getting ripped off by the minority of companies. It's the power of the consumer. Don't forget, good service gets positive feedback too.
Anyway, what if someone doesn't want to sign up to any of them. What's wrong if someone wants to play the system. They aren't doing anything illegal, just playing the system. |
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MadDog
Joined: 22 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 11:36 am Post subject: |
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| Aenima wrote: | Madog,
I don't understand your objection to us trying out companies on free trial and then going with what we consider to be the best service. That's what free trials are all about. |
we have no objection to people trying us out free of charge, but we do object to the constant scamming.
| Aenima wrote: | | What andmyn has rightly pointed out is that in the course of our trials it has become apparent that some (not all) of these companies clearly have questionable practices. |
| Aenima wrote: | | We in this forum share this information so that other people are aware of the +ve and -ve aspects and hopefully prevent people getting ripped off by the minority of companies. It's the power of the consumer. |
how kind and thoughtful of you all to risk being ripped off despite dozens of warnings from other people who feel they've been ripped off ........
let's get real here.
if someone tells you not to put your hand in the fire because you'll get burnt, do you put your hand in the fire or not? ummm.... no, you don't.
so, if dozens of people (here and on many other forums) say "don't trust XYZ because they'll rip you off", why do you feel a need to risk being ripped off yourself?
the answer you're looking for (but not willing to admit) is that you're simply looking to get loads of free dvd rentals. you're not doing this for the benefit of others at all ..............
in fact:
on 28th January you were asking how to get a second free trial with Blockbuster
on 24th December you were asking if anyone had 30 day codes for DVDS365
a quote from you 21st January: Make free trial hay while the sun shines guys. Get in quick while ya can.
same day, you also asked about free trials on adult dvd sites
please don't try and pretend you're doing this for the good of the public.
| Aenima wrote: | | Don't forget, good service gets positive feedback too. |
there isn't much of that around here ..........
plenty of "hey, i've scammed all of them" and "can i sign up again and get more free dvds?" and "anyone know of any more 30 day codes" type messages, and plenty of negative comments. i think every single dvd rental company has received negative comments here.
| Aenima wrote: | | Anyway, what if someone doesn't want to sign up to any of them. What's wrong if someone wants to play the system. They aren't doing anything illegal, just playing the system. |
we don't mind if someone tries every single dvd rental company.
we do mind when they try to scam us.
scamming is illegal - it is deception.
the sheer number of dvds allegedly going missing in the post is most likely "theft" (ie, claiming the dvds were returned when they weren't). this too is illegal.
certain names here have repeated instances of DVDs being lost in the post. we recognise many of the names so we can check their accounts. strangely, most other people in their area manage to receive and return DVDs without any problem.
how do you explain that? |
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andym
Joined: 05 Jan 2005
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 11:44 am Post subject: idiot |
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Maddog,
Most people after a free trial make darn sure they return the DVDs so tey get a refund and are not charged.
In fact, the vast majority of complaints on this site are people that have returned all DVDs but have not been refunded by con artists like yourself.
Your nonsensical conspirasist and unbacked up allegations regarding DVDs lost in the post are libel. Your allegation that people telling their family members at other addresses to take a fdree trial too is deception is also unwarranted. |
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Aenima
Joined: 21 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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Madog,
The companies that this forum has warned against I HAVE NOT TRIALED Q.E.D. The warnings are "trialer beware". You are saying that dispite warnings people are still trialing. This is simply not the case.
I personally have had DVDs go missing, both sent and returned. You are implying that people say they have not received/returned them but in reality are keeping them. What about people who have certificates of posting? Would you believe them? |
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MadDog
Joined: 22 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 12:01 pm Post subject: |
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ho ho ho
"fred bloggs" posts here. he claims at least 10 dvds from various companies have been "lost in the post" during various trials.
we know who "fred bloggs" is and where he lives.
20 people within the same area (same street and adjoining streets, meaning same sorting office and often same postman) have also rented from us. in total over 3000 dvds have been sent to these other people. only one or two have gone missing. a handful are returned damaged (it happens).
how come "fred bloggs" is the only person in his area to have such a poor postal service?
what do you think a judge will think if presented with this evidence?
go on, have three guesses.
and what do you think the judge will think if presented with messages posted here by "fred bloggs" saying "i scammed them" and so on?
if you think it's libel, sue us. |
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MadDog
Joined: 22 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Aenima wrote: | | The companies that this forum has warned against I HAVE NOT TRIALED Q.E.D. The warnings are "trialer beware". You are saying that dispite warnings people are still trialing. This is simply not the case. |
i'm saying your claims of trialling all the dvd rental companies (and risk being ripped off) for the benefit of everyone else, despite warnings about them, are complete and utter nonsense.
have you put your hand in a fire just to see if it really does hurt so that you can warn others??
| Aenima wrote: | | I personally have had DVDs go missing, both sent and returned. You are implying that people say they have not received/returned them but in reality are keeping them. What about people who have certificates of posting? Would you believe them? |
do you know how few people bother getting certificates of posting?
please don't pretend for one minute that any more than a tiny minority of people get certificates of posting. |
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Aenima
Joined: 21 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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| MadDog wrote: | ho ho ho
"fred bloggs" posts here. he claims at least 10 dvds from various companies have been "lost in the post" during various trials.
we know who "fred bloggs" is and where he lives.
20 people within the same area (same street and adjoining streets, meaning same sorting office and often same postman) have also rented from us. in total over 3000 dvds have been sent to these other people. only one or two have gone missing. a handful are returned damaged (it happens).
how come "fred bloggs" is the only person in his area to have such a poor postal service?
what do you think a judge will think if presented with this evidence?
go on, have three guesses.
and what do you think the judge will think if presented with messages posted here by "fred bloggs" saying "i scammed them" and so on?
if you think it's libel, sue us. |
The judge would say as I am saying to you now,
WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE. You simply don't have any to present. You can say you do here but in reality you don't.
By the way, are you involved in drafting the (legal) terms and conditions at your company. If so it would explain a hell of a lot!! |
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andym
Joined: 05 Jan 2005
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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| MadDog wrote: | ho ho ho
"fred bloggs" posts here. he claims at least 10 dvds from various companies have been "lost in the post" during various trials.
we know who "fred bloggs" is and where he lives.
20 people within the same area (same street and adjoining streets, meaning same sorting office and often same postman) have also rented from us. in total over 3000 dvds have been sent to these other people. only one or two have gone missing. a handful are returned damaged (it happens).
how come "fred bloggs" is the only person in his area to have such a poor postal service?
what do you think a judge will think if presented with this evidence?
go on, have three guesses.
and what do you think the judge will think if presented with messages posted here by "fred bloggs" saying "i scammed them" and so on?
if you think it's libel, sue us. |
Aenima is right. You have no evidence, and as previously suspected you are one of the smaller players who is guilty of ripping quite a few people on here who will all know they are themselves honest. I wouldn't put it past you to be lying with this info either.
If you see they have a history of not receiving dvds..from their username which utterly bears no resembelance to their name..then you expect us to believe you chose to provide service to them or not take legal action?
You didn't because a) YOU HAVE NO CLUE ABOUT THE LAW and b) YOU COULDN'T EVEN AFFORD IT.
Time for admin to nuke your posting privelages and find out who you are me thinks.
| Quote: | | 0 people within the same area (same street and adjoining streets, meaning same sorting office and often same postman) have also rented from us. in total over 3000 dvds |
Bullshit. You wouldn't have that many customers in such a small area and if you did your research would be a lot better than "adjoining" streets which isn't even a proper english word. And they each rented 150 dvds did they? You're having a laugh. |
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MadDog
Joined: 22 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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| andym wrote: | | You have no evidence, and as previously suspected you are one of the smaller players who is guilty of ripping quite a few people on here who will all know they are themselves honest. I wouldn't put it past you to be lying with this info either. |
according to most people here, every dvd rental company rips everyone off. the big names are certainly accused of this far more than the smaller names. take a look through the forums.
| andym wrote: | | If you see they have a history of not receiving dvds..from their username which utterly bears no resembelance to their name..then you expect us to believe you chose to provide service to them or not take legal action? |
this is where you show just how clueless you really are.
some people have web addresses in their profiles. some people use the same username here as when they register with dvd rental companies. some people say "i registered with XYZ today" and later on they say "i cancelled XYZ today because they lost a dvd". well it doesn't take much working out on our part to find everyone that signed up and cancelled on those dates AND had a dvd go missing ......
so many clues .......... yet you fail to see them ........
| andym wrote: | | Bullshit. You wouldn't have that many customers in such a small area and if you did your research would be a lot better than "adjoining" streets which isn't even a proper english word. And they each rented 150 dvds did they? You're having a laugh. |
am i?
the figures i gave were to illustrate a point. the figures were never intended to be 100% accurate (although they are fairly close to the actual figures for the area in which a certain "fred bloggs" lives).
the concept of trying a service then remaining with it beyond the free trial and even paying for it may be alien to you, but yes, it does happen - people do join up and stay with us and they do rent a lot of DVDs.
15 DVDs per month for one year = 180 DVDs
10 DVDs per month for 18 months = 180 DVDs
of course, some people get through a lot more than others. 150 is easy over a period of time.
if you've finished nitpicking, perhaps you can focus on the main point i made??
how come "fred bloggs" is the only one in his area to get such a poor service and has so many DVDs go missing from so many companies?? |
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